TY - JOUR T1 - Reply to: ‘Harder but smarter? Co-designing together’ by Robert and Donetto JF - BMJ Quality & Safety JO - BMJ Qual Saf SP - 408 LP - 408 DO - 10.1136/bmjqs-2015-004257 VL - 24 IS - 6 AU - Christopher William Hayes Y1 - 2015/06/01 UR - http://qualitysafety.bmj.com/content/24/6/408.abstract N2 - We think that Drs Robert and Donetto have touched upon an important issue.1 First, we did not intend to suggest that experience-based co-design (EBCD) efforts be separate activities—one set for patients, one set for providers. The evidence they point to and, I would say, the lived experience of participants is that having care providers and patients working together to design care processes produces the best value-based … ER -